tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34083187.post3296370294182941388..comments2021-08-30T20:28:51.334-07:00Comments on The Pool Biz: The Pool Guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12904496518630518958noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34083187.post-5126094783480068172007-12-15T06:13:00.000-08:002007-12-15T06:13:00.000-08:00Gosh. I've hurt your feelings. Haven't I? I feel j...Gosh. I've hurt your feelings. Haven't I? I feel just terrible. I guess you told me, huh?<BR/> <BR/>Just one thing...<BR/> <BR/>Where do you Wingnuts get off sending me these snarky comments and then act so offended when I get snarky back at ya? I'm sorry that I'm light years better at it than you are. Not my fault. You should have paid more attention during Composition.<BR/> <BR/>What snarky comments, you may ask? Why, these: <BR/> <BR/>"...it's just that you put out your opinion as though it is solely the big 3's fault that all of this supposed damage was actually caused by the chlorinator jumping off the wall, running over to the stone, taking out its built in chisel and hammer and tearing it up."<BR/> <BR/>and, "You strike me as one of those guys who even though they know that they are wrong about random topic, can't just say "got it, I made a mistake, I'll move on from it, and not do it again". You dwell on it and turn into a vendetta because it's easier to do that than move on."<BR/> <BR/>I mean, really. Who do you think you are to pretend to know me or to know what I'm like?<BR/> <BR/>Then, there's this: "No amount of writing will convince you to change the pesimistic [sic], negative view that you have of a lot of things..."<BR/> <BR/>Oh-Dear-God-in-Heaven-Please... You work in the pool industry, and you see the junk that passes for pool equipment being pawned off on our customers year in and year out - filter tanks that crack because they chose the wrong material to mold them from, entire model runs of heaters that won't fire with any reliability and eventually have to be replaced without ever giving a single day of reliable service, pumps that gobble up and disintegrate their impellers and diffusers, valves that weep and leak the first time they're exposed to the least amount of heat and end up taking down a pump or two because a double O-ringed diverter shaft is sucking air (and by the way, double o-rings are the hallmark of shoddy engineering and poor design practices), temp sensors that fail over and over and over and over again, circuit boards that catch on fire if you add salt to the pool while they're running... I could go on and on, but anyway... - and you call me a pessimist because I choose to write and expose a scam that's not only screwing people out of the money they spent to buy the damn salt box, but is costing them thousands more by ruining their pool through all the mechanisms that I've documented in this blog and that you half heartedly admit I'm right about. <BR/><BR/>YOU KNOW why these things are happening because this is what you do for a living, and yet you expect pool owners to know it, too, even though the manufacturer of the equipment, who knows even more about these issues than you or me, says not a word in any documentation about compatibility of materials - stone, cementious or metal - the possibilities of galvanic or stray current corrosion, or any of the other maladies common to salt pools. I'm not talking about in their sales brochures. I'm talking about in the owner's and installation manuals where you're supposed to stop selling and start instructing.<BR/><BR/>Who do you think came up with the idea to change the oil in internal combustion engines? Do you think that people who bought Henry Ford's first Flivvers just knew, through osmosis, that they were supposed to change the oil every so often? It was because THE MANUFACTURER told them to. <BR/><BR/>When timing belts first came on the scene, do you think that a bunch of guys were shooting the bull in the garage and decided that since timing belts are different than timing chains, they ought to replace them every so often? It was THE MANUFACTURER. <BR/><BR/>And why did they do it? Because they wanted their customers to have a rewarding experience with their product, and not have to rebuild their engine when the belt flipped. Nor did they want to have the liability for not telling them.<BR/> <BR/>You will make a fine Sales Rep some day.<BR/> <BR/>But getting back to your post from Thursday night. You start off by saying, "I haven't been around in a while, I got trashed in my last post because I incorrectly assumed we as pool guys could communicate and not argue the semantics of questionable statements."<BR/> <BR/>Huh?<BR/> <BR/>The last thing I said to you in comments was, "I hope you'll continue to contribute. I don't think we are that far apart, really. I especially felt that when I read, 'granted, some of the reps in our industry have less than 100% integrity' ".<BR/> <BR/>Remember? And it wasn't just me that was taking issue with your playing fast and loose with the facts in your comments. It was Baboosa, who has put me on to more good information and spurred more research with his insightful comments than anybody else who's posted here, and Another Pool Guy, who took exception to your redefining "neutral pH".<BR/> <BR/>But more than anything, it was the pretensions of your blog, Another View. Which, by the way, is SO NOT a "work in progress", pal. You have to have worked on it for it to be a work in progress. All you did was register it OVER A YEAR AGO. That wasn't any harder than getting your logon name, Also a Pool Guy.<BR/> <BR/>Which reminds me to say that everything about you is a hollow copy of me. I'm The Pool Guy. You're Also a Pool Guy. My blog is The Pool Biz. Your blog is Another Look At The POOLBUSINESS. Yeah, yeah. I know. If only you could find the time, you'd write that blog, you'd make a difference in our industry, you'd tell me, by golly... <BR/> <BR/>Come on, dude. Get a life of your own and quit trying to borrow mine.<BR/> <BR/>You got questions? Ask them and keep the sarcasm to yourself. Maybe then we can have a discussion. Because if you look at the comments of any blog piece - and I post them all, except the spam - you'll see that the only ones that get filleted around here are the ones that think it would be a good idea to toddle over to the old Pool Biz Blog and insult the Pool Guy. I get e-mails from homeowners with questions all the time, and I do my best to answer them. They ask simple, straightforward questions AND THEY DON'T INSULT ME and they get answers. <BR/><BR/>Try it.<BR/><BR/>As Ever,<BR/>TPGThe Pool Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904496518630518958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34083187.post-3459060473899262772007-12-14T07:23:00.000-08:002007-12-14T07:23:00.000-08:00Sorry if my repatee isn't up to your a@%holeish st...Sorry if my repatee isn't up to your a@%holeish standards. I was trying to be direct without being a complete d@ck such that you wouldn't edit out my comments and not post them. <BR/><BR/>Another View is a work in progress. I haven't yet figured out how to manage a blog as well as a service business, kids, etc. Maybe you have, oh wait, maybe you haven't because by your own words in your own post, your wife thinks you're an ass. Does creating another blog mean I can't talk to you anymore? <BR/><BR/>Maybe next time, you could defend your position and answer the question I posed to you at the end instead of attacking my gramatical errors. Don't you have anything to say, oh wait again, we've already established that you are one of those guys who calls names and attacks gramatical mistakes when you know you are full of sh@t.<BR/><BR/>Look at that King A@@hole I properly spaced everything and used question marks. Good Day!Also a Pool Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00085279740665777515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34083187.post-75138051623674345812007-12-14T06:40:00.000-08:002007-12-14T06:40:00.000-08:00Ding,ding,ding,ding,ding... We have a Winner! Also...Ding,ding,ding,ding,ding... We have a Winner! Also A Pool Guy is back.<BR/><BR/>Some suggestions: <BR/><BR/>Work on your repartee. Your insults are a little weak. They could use some punching up. <BR/><BR/>Your grammer was passable, and much better than last time. Though you missed a couple of question marks and there should have been two t's in "worked my but off..."<BR/><BR/>Did you finally get that GED? <BR/><BR/>Also, you seemed to have misplaced your carriage return key about halfway down your rant. <BR/><BR/>You see, spacing between thoughts, and even within thoughts, is important. It can convey what you're saying more forcefully. Often, I use paragraph spacing to punctuate a particularly sharp barb in what would otherwise be the middle of the paragraph. You know, sorta driving the old stake through the heart of someone I think is totally full of shit.<BR/><BR/>Like now.<BR/><BR/>See how well that works?<BR/><BR/>Maybe it's those kinds of things about my writing that you find addicting. Perhaps as much how I say it as what I'm saying?<BR/><BR/>And just one question, if-ya-dont-mind-me-askin... Whatever happened to that blog of yours, "Another View Of THEPOOLBUSINESS"? <BR/><BR/>You know, that one where you were going to respond to all of my hooey and prove to the Pool World that "I'm right and The Pool Guy's wrong"?<BR/><BR/>Here we are a whole year after you started your blog and you haven't posted a single thing to it. Yet you take the time to come to my blog and submit your rants for me to publish for you. What's up with that?<BR/><BR/>Is it just easier to sit in the cheap seats and take potshots than to do any research of your own and post your own findings and photos to refute what I'm saying?<BR/><BR/>Is it?<BR/><BR/>Do you see how I used spacing again there? <BR/><BR/>It really can be an effective tool. You know, it kind of implies a foot stamping pause of me pretending to wait here in cyberspace for an answer we all know you're not going to give.<BR/><BR/>Don't we?<BR/><BR/>Fondly,<BR/>TPGThe Pool Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904496518630518958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34083187.post-90631739221041322002007-12-13T21:34:00.000-08:002007-12-13T21:34:00.000-08:00I haven't been around in a while, I got trashed in...I haven't been around in a while, I got trashed in my last post because I incorrectly assumed we as pool guys could communicate and not argue the semantics of questionable statements. Just to clear it up, I said the pH is "considered" neutral at 7.6 in a pool. Homeowners are trained by us that the ideal pH is 7.4-7.6 for the pool and they consider that neutral because they are used to seeing a test kit scale which goes from 7.0-8.2. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I guess I am not pissed that you trash salt, people have a disdain for things that others don't and that is ok. it's just that you put out your opinion as though it is solely the big 3's fault that all of this supposed damage was actually caused by the chlorinator jumping off the wall, running over to the stone, taking out its built in chisel and hammer and tearing it up, The problems you describe and I agree with you that they exist, exist mostly in Texas where you have soft limestone that for some reason you feel doesn't need to be sealed to protect it. Would you buy a car and never wax it to protect the finish. Does the manufacturer really have to tell you that you need to take care of the products that you purchase. I run a business too and I purchase items to make my life more comfortable and I don't need anyone to tell me that I need to take care of it. I do it inherently because as you know things you work your but off for you want them to be around in their original condition for as long as possible, so you research and find out the best ways to take care of you things.<BR/><BR/>You strike me as one of those guys who even though they know that they are wrong about random topic, can't just say "got it, I made a mistake, I'll move on from it, and not do it again". You dwell on it and turn into a vendetta because it's easier to do that than move on. Now, I know that you aren't a pool builder who installs the soft Texas limestone without sealing it, but you are echoing the complaints and taking up the cause of installers that didn't install a prduct correctly (not sealing it), didn't educate the receivors of those products on how to take care of it (you have to seal it).<BR/>The problems really seem isolated to Texas because here in Florida, the complaints are few and far between. I read you post where you described pools that exist in Florida. You are wrong about your assumption that we have mostly pool onlys here. I would argue that there are an equal number pool/spa combos. In the last 5 years or so, natural stone has become a very popular pool building material in all of its various forms. Your corrosion issues that you describe are also few and far between here probably because we are one of the toughest states with California and Maryland (of all places)to build a pool from the standpoint of inspections and enforcement of proper building practices. Metal connections corrode when current flows over them. Current can't flow over them if the electrical potential is the same between them. There has to a difference in potential for current to flow. How do you know that of all the corrosion issues you have seen, all of them had intact bonding grids with properly made connections to the steel, in the light niches, to the handrails, etc. Salt doesn't create stray current in a pool, it magnifies the problem which is that you have stray current in the pool. As you may know, it provides a more conductive solution for it to move around in. But, in a pool that is PROPERLY bonded, and according to the principle of the Farraday cage, that current won't flow in the cage only out to the ground.<BR/>No amount of writing will convince you to change the pesimistic, negative view that you have of a lot of things I guess, but for some reason, it is kind of addicting to read your words and argue with you. By the way, all of the pictures of the cleaners, heaters, etc you posted could have easily been a week or so of low pH pool water not a mild saline solution. I've been taking apart cleaners and heaters for years too and you can't prove that salt is what caused that damage.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, and I hate to ask because I'm holding out hope that your next post will be something positive. Why not just use Potassium chloride instead. Would that please you since it isn't salt. You can make chlorine just the same and it is a doctor recommended alternative for people who use water softeners and also have hypertension. I use it in my pool because I have no deck just artificial rock with grass planted right up to the edge. I didn't need a manufacturer's rep to tell me that salt is no good for the grass when water splashes out. Jeez, I figured that out from Sunday school when i was a kid. It's been a while but aren't there references to salting the soil. Maybe not, who cares, it's common sense anyway.<BR/><BR/>Let her rip, I'm ready!!!Also a Pool Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00085279740665777515noreply@blogger.com